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Terrible Surgeon · May 30, 2010, 08:44 AM // 08:44

Is syncing RA something that can be banned? If i sync with people, or rather Attempt to sync...is that bannable? Please give a GOOD answer to this.

THAnK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

Bloss · May 30, 2010, 09:29 AM // 09:29

It's not bannable for as far as I know. They might try to 'nerf' syncing again but more they won't/can do since it's either impossible to be sure (not same guilds) or accedently, unlike botting which is obvious.

But why sync, go Codex, GvG or HA if you wanna make your own groups and be fair ^^

Terrible Surgeon · May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Thanks, I do gVg and HA but never codex. Im just wondering how else a guy is expected to progress to the upper levels of the gladiator title without spending 10 years doing RA "the right way?" TA was removed, so people that are g8+ have no hopes of becoming g10-g12 if they do not sync. Would be like HA having a starter arena to learn how to HA then having HA removed. This would leave people with the starter arena and would require them to sync it to achieve a higher rank.

I hate to say it but syncing is not a sin in my eyes if you are a high ranked glad person wanting to progress the title.

Tommy's · May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Though I don't like your attitude when you state that you want a GOOD answer, you should be happy with the help you get, I'll try to answer it in a GOOD way, hope I don't fail.

No, you can not be banned for syncing. It's a matter of pushing enter battle at the right time. You can try to sync with people from other guilds aswell, there will not be a way to detect that. So thought its lame if you do so, and Anet isn't so happy about it either, and probably will try to do something against it, as far as I know you can not be banned for it. But again, why would you want to know? It's sad and its cheating.

Lolwut1337 · May 30, 2010, 10:31 AM // 10:31

Wait a second . They said they've banned people for match manipulation too . As far as I know , syncing is kind of a match manipulation . :\

Nerel · May 30, 2010, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Update - Tuesday, September 1, 2009
[edit] Miscellaneous

* Nicholas the Traveler has been brushing up on his language skills.
* Kun Shao has gone on vacation until the Xunlai Tournament House is able to distribute points for the month of May.
* Fixed a bug that allowed teams to sync join in random PvP.

There you go, it's officially recognized as a bug and people who sync are exploiting it... but don't worry, Anet fixed the bug!

Also I seem to remember Gaile commenting on the sync issue on her wiki space... pretty sure she called it cheating.

So yes, it's and exploit, yes it's a bannable offense according to the EULA, no I haven't seen (or expect to see) a rash of sync bans.

awry · May 30, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35

for all we know, many people could already be "dead", remember that they said we could be banned at any time in the future for something. We aren't necessarily going to be banned right away for a violation, so nobody can figure out the techniques they use for determining cheating/exploiting. Wouldn't it be funny if all the people who did ha red resign has already been marked for a future ban and they're just waiting for the best time to hit the ban button? Theoretically from what they've said so far, they very well could do so with impunity.

Shayne Hawke · May 30, 2010, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Someone just asked this, albeit it was probably in the wrong forum.

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 08, 2010, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Tommy's

Though I don't like your attitude when you state that you want a GOOD answer, you should be happy with the help you get, I'll try to answer it in a GOOD way, hope I don't fail.

No, you can not be banned for syncing. It's a matter of pushing enter battle at the right time. You can try to sync with people from other guilds aswell, there will not be a way to detect that. So thought its lame if you do so, and Anet isn't so happy about it either, and probably will try to do something against it, as far as I know you can not be banned for it. But again, why would you want to know? It's sad and its cheating.

GOOD answer meaning the information came from a reputable source and is not hearsay or opinion. Does that make more sense to you now?

As far as cheating goes. What about the people who were g8 because they did TA and are expected to work on their titles now via RA..you try getting 2k points doing RA without syncing and see how far you get. It is my opinion that Anet cheated people when they removed TA and did not fix the title track. RA and TA were linked.....something should have been done to RA and how it is ran to compensate for the removal of TA.
So syncing RA is not cheating in my opinion. It is a necessity when you are a g8 trying for g9. Cheaters are people that bot and purposely lose for some sort of benefit. People that enter a RA match and /resign immediately or leave immediately before the timer starts are just as big of not worse cheaters than syncers.Not to mention, YOU STILL HAVE TO WIN EVEN AFTER COMPLETING A SUCCESSFUL SYNC.

*Darcy* · Jun 08, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27

You are allowed to have any opinion you wish, but your opinion does not matter in GW. Only ArenaNet's opinion matters. At the moment, while they are not happy about the syncing situation, they have not found a definite way to counter it or detect it. When they do, heads might roll - and not just those of the ones syncing at that time.

snaek · Jun 09, 2010, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

As far as cheating goes. What about the people who were g8 because they did TA and are expected to work on their titles now via RA..you try getting 2k points doing RA without syncing and see how far you get. It is my opinion that Anet cheated people when they removed TA and did not fix the title track. RA and TA were linked.....something should have been done to RA and how it is ran to compensate for the removal of TA.
So syncing RA is not cheating in my opinion. It is a necessity when you are a g8 trying for g9.

what fail. syncing isn't cheating because the title is hard to get now that ta is gone? does not compute. syncing is cheating no ifs ands or buts.

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 09, 2010, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by snaek

what fail. syncing isn't cheating because the title is hard to get now that ta is gone? does not compute. syncing is cheating no ifs ands or buts.

So then people that sync JQ, FA, and AB are cheaters too? I think its a good group/guild activity. Like i said, even if a sync is successful, the syncers still need to win. In actuality, i dont sync, but im thinking it would be nice to do once in awhile for fun with guildies. Also, anet created the problem with the RA syncers. Instead of punishing them they should fix the format to make it more title friendly.

FFS, u get 1 fame point for 1 win in HA. And no, beating the zaishen is not a win, the first round of HA isn't even pvp. However, u need 5 consecutive wins in RA to get 1 point, and every match is PvP.

The glad title was linked to TA and RA, removing TA was like amputating a leg off of a person and then not giving the dude a prosthetic leg. Now you have a bunch of one legged people hopping around without even a crutch to lean on. Something should have been reformatted to compensate the glad title track when TA was removed. It is Anets fault that syncing has become a problem and they should have seen it coming when they considered removing TA.

You call syncing a crime, i call it a necessity for the higher ranked gladiators. A good metaphor for the syncing/cheating might help explain my point of view. If your family is starving (glad title) because the government (Anet) took your food supply (TA) away is it wrong to get food (glad points) by stealing (syncing) it to feed your family?

Shasgaliel · Jun 09, 2010, 08:38 AM // 08:38

Nerel gave you an answer already. You will not convince most of us and I do not believe you will be able to convince ANET even less their support. You got your answer - it is cheating. Please do not come here later on that you got banned and are innocent. It is your decision and your risk. If something happens be prepared to face the consequences. From what I saw in the banned threads it seems some syncers were banned already (thought I am not sure if for syncing per se and it was just a coincidence that botters were also syncers.).

Swahnee · Jun 09, 2010, 09:20 AM // 09:20

Syncing in RA is a way to exploit the fact that different people can push the enter battle button together to bypass the random factor of RA, thus playing it not in the way it was intended to. As far as the titles are concerned, IMHO their introduction was a huge mistake, whose price we are now paying, because the srs bsnss attitude, syncing and botting of RA come from the presence of the title.

I agree that TA shoudn't have been removed, perhaps they could have removed the glad title from RA, keeping it in TA to bring more people in it, i don't know. However, even if this is true, this doesn't mean that syncing is right. It's like saying "the government policy regarding the class of workers i belong to was completely wrong, it's hard for us to reach the 3rd week, so we are allowed to rob" (hoping that my awful english didn't screw up the meaning of the example). If ANet have done something that hurt you, this doesn't mean you should hurt the other players for it.

If TA is gone, this simply mean that your title will grow at a lower pace than before.

sixdartbart · Jun 09, 2010, 03:11 PM // 15:11

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

People that enter a RA match and /resign immediately or leave immediately before the timer starts are just as big of not worse cheaters than syncers

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

You call syncing a crime, i call it a necessity

But you yourself just called it cheating

You can call it a chocolate chip cookie if you want to but it is still CHEATING and you already know it!
Your real question here is if this is a form of CHEATING that you will be able to continue to get away with, the answer is probably. {do you really want to bet your account on it?}

Be sure and post an update if you get perma banned the day after you get R-10.

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 09, 2010, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

But you yourself just called it cheating

You can call it a chocolate chip cookie if you want to but it is still CHEATING and you already know it!
Your real question here is if this is a form of CHEATING that you will be able to continue to get away with, the answer is probably. {do you really want to bet your account on it?}

Be sure and post an update if you get perma banned the day after you get R-10.

I don't think it is cheating when people resign or leave before timer when they get a necro with 110hp. I call it having standards. If its available in the game, and third party programs are not being used, I would call it utilizing your resources.

aefghuys · Jun 09, 2010, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by snaek

what fail. syncing isn't cheating because the title is hard to get now that ta is gone? does not compute. syncing is cheating no ifs ands or buts.

its really that simple... if it makes you feel better, then keep trying to justify your actions

Swahnee · Jun 09, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

I don't think it is cheating when people resign or leave before timer when they get a necro with 110hp. I call it having standards.

The point is the randomness of RA. I totally agree with having standards in organized play: if i want to create a team for TA (let's suppose it still exists), HA or GvG, or if i want to join such a team, i will have to choose some standards or to accept the standards of the team. If you don't want to accept my standard, then you can play with another team, that fits better your playstyle (generic "you").

But i fail to see a sense for the concept of "standard" in RA. It's random, there can't be any standard. If you find a new guy who tries PvP for the first time, what does he know about the standard? If you find someone who wants to try something new (= out of the standards) and fun how can you call him wrong? RA should be a place where to play only for the fun of it, there are other places where to play seriously, where to grind titles (yes, there is no place where to grind the glad title, but the problem isn't with the people who play RA).

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If its available in the game, and third party programs are not being used, I would call it utilizing your resources.

Sorry, i've got nothing against you, but i simply don't agree with this. Just to make an example, those people that exploited the glitch that allowed them to farm Duncan without killing the other bosses were using a tool that was available in the game (shadow stepping across a wall) and they weren't using any third party program. They where utilizing their resources, but i don't think that what they did was fair at all.

Terrible Surgeon · Jun 11, 2010, 08:00 AM // 08:00

Random arena grew standards the day TA was removed. TA players were forced to go to RA to further their titles and thus an increase in experienced players occurred in an arena designed for the beginner PvPer, experimenters, and LoL searchers. The title grinders are generally easily irritated by the "new" or "experimenting" players and they rage them until they leave the team or they themselves rage quit.
Like it or not, RA is not perfect, I don't frown on syncing, and i don't blame people for wanting to sync if they are higher ranked. If anything, the sync teams are showing "NEW" pvpers what a good balanced team looks like.
After reading other threads, it has been said that syncing is too hard to prove and that hitting enter at the same time as a friend isn't wrong. Many people call it cheating, I call it strategically using you resources.

Swahnee · Jun 12, 2010, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

Random arena grew standards the day TA was removed. TA players were forced to go to RA to further their titles and thus an increase in experienced players occurred in an arena designed for the beginner PvPer, experimenters, and LoL searchers. The title grinders are generally easily irritated by the "new" or "experimenting" players and they rage them until they leave the team or they themselves rage quit.

I think this is true (however there were problems even before TA was removed, the killing of TA made things grew worse, though).

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Like it or not, RA is not perfect, I don't frown on syncing, and i don't blame people for wanting to sync if they are higher ranked.

I do. The title isn't meant to be maxed, and if you have an high rank, this already shows that you are experienced in the arena gamestyle. If you want to make the title grow even more because you like it, it's your choice, but you won't obtain advantages any more from the title, so you have no reason to hurt other people while going on with the grind. Grinding glads in RA is very slow. Accept it.

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After reading other threads, it has been said that syncing is too hard to prove and that hitting enter at the same time as a friend isn't wrong. Many people call it cheating, I call it strategically using you resources.

Already answered on this in one of my previous post. I call it playing a game in the way it wasn't intended, to have an unfair advantage over those who play it in the "right" way, cheating on the fact that it's very difficult to prove. Hitting the button at the same time isn't wrong if that happens incidentally, but it's wrong if you do that by purpose. And this is precisely what's difficult to prove.

However, as you said before, the problem doesn't lie in the "start battle" button mechanics, but in the reasons that make people sync.

May 30, 2010, 08:44 AM // 08:44	#1
Terrible Surgeon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2009 Guild: hopper Profession: A/	Syncing RA Is syncing RA something that can be banned? If i sync with people, or rather Attempt to sync...is that bannable? Please give a GOOD answer to this. THAnK YOU HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

Jun 08, 2010, 09:27 PM // 21:27	#10
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	You are allowed to have any opinion you wish, but your opinion does not matter in GW. Only ArenaNet's opinion matters. At the moment, while they are not happy about the syncing situation, they have not found a definite way to counter it or detect it. When they do, heads might roll - and not just those of the ones syncing at that time. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

May 30, 2010, 09:29 AM // 09:29	#2
Bloss Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2009 Profession: Me/Rt	It's not bannable for as far as I know. They might try to 'nerf' syncing again but more they won't/can do since it's either impossible to be sure (not same guilds) or accedently, unlike botting which is obvious. But why sync, go Codex, GvG or HA if you wanna make your own groups and be fair ^^

May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43	#3
Terrible Surgeon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2009 Guild: hopper Profession: A/	Thanks, I do gVg and HA but never codex. Im just wondering how else a guy is expected to progress to the upper levels of the gladiator title without spending 10 years doing RA "the right way?" TA was removed, so people that are g8+ have no hopes of becoming g10-g12 if they do not sync. Would be like HA having a starter arena to learn how to HA then having HA removed. This would leave people with the starter arena and would require them to sync it to achieve a higher rank. I hate to say it but syncing is not a sin in my eyes if you are a high ranked glad person wanting to progress the title.

May 30, 2010, 09:43 AM // 09:43	#4
Tommy's Furnace Stoker Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: [Bone] Profession: Mo/	Though I don't like your attitude when you state that you want a GOOD answer, you should be happy with the help you get, I'll try to answer it in a GOOD way, hope I don't fail. No, you can not be banned for syncing. It's a matter of pushing enter battle at the right time. You can try to sync with people from other guilds aswell, there will not be a way to detect that. So thought its lame if you do so, and Anet isn't so happy about it either, and probably will try to do something against it, as far as I know you can not be banned for it. But again, why would you want to know? It's sad and its cheating.

May 30, 2010, 10:31 AM // 10:31	#5
Lolwut1337 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2010 Location: Kama america-dis 1 :o Guild: Straight To The [BanK] Profession: E/	Wait a second . They said they've banned people for match manipulation too . As far as I know , syncing is kind of a match manipulation . :\

May 30, 2010, 01:35 PM // 13:35	#7
awry Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2008	for all we know, many people could already be "dead", remember that they said we could be banned at any time in the future for something. We aren't necessarily going to be banned right away for a violation, so nobody can figure out the techniques they use for determining cheating/exploiting. Wouldn't it be funny if all the people who did ha red resign has already been marked for a future ban and they're just waiting for the best time to hit the ban button? Theoretically from what they've said so far, they very well could do so with impunity.

May 30, 2010, 01:50 PM // 13:50	#8
Shayne Hawke Departed from Tyria Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth] Profession: R/	Someone just asked this, albeit it was probably in the wrong forum.

Jun 09, 2010, 08:38 AM // 08:38	#13
Shasgaliel Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: [bomb]	Nerel gave you an answer already. You will not convince most of us and I do not believe you will be able to convince ANET even less their support. You got your answer - it is cheating. Please do not come here later on that you got banned and are innocent. It is your decision and your risk. If something happens be prepared to face the consequences. From what I saw in the banned threads it seems some syncers were banned already (thought I am not sure if for syncing per se and it was just a coincidence that botters were also syncers.).

Jun 09, 2010, 09:20 AM // 09:20	#14
Swahnee Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Italy Profession: Mo/	Syncing in RA is a way to exploit the fact that different people can push the enter battle button together to bypass the random factor of RA, thus playing it not in the way it was intended to. As far as the titles are concerned, IMHO their introduction was a huge mistake, whose price we are now paying, because the srs bsnss attitude, syncing and botting of RA come from the presence of the title. I agree that TA shoudn't have been removed, perhaps they could have removed the glad title from RA, keeping it in TA to bring more people in it, i don't know. However, even if this is true, this doesn't mean that syncing is right. It's like saying "the government policy regarding the class of workers i belong to was completely wrong, it's hard for us to reach the 3rd week, so we are allowed to rob" (hoping that my awful english didn't screw up the meaning of the example). If ANet have done something that hurt you, this doesn't mean you should hurt the other players for it. If TA is gone, this simply mean that your title will grow at a lower pace than before.

Jun 11, 2010, 08:00 AM // 08:00	#19
Terrible Surgeon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2009 Guild: hopper Profession: A/	Random arena grew standards the day TA was removed. TA players were forced to go to RA to further their titles and thus an increase in experienced players occurred in an arena designed for the beginner PvPer, experimenters, and LoL searchers. The title grinders are generally easily irritated by the "new" or "experimenting" players and they rage them until they leave the team or they themselves rage quit. Like it or not, RA is not perfect, I don't frown on syncing, and i don't blame people for wanting to sync if they are higher ranked. If anything, the sync teams are showing "NEW" pvpers what a good balanced team looks like. After reading other threads, it has been said that syncing is too hard to prove and that hitting enter at the same time as a friend isn't wrong. Many people call it cheating, I call it strategically using you resources.